Showing posts with label discipline (church). Show all posts
Showing posts with label discipline (church). Show all posts
Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Facing Your Spiritual Abuser: Index of Posts About the Star Chamber and the Hot Seat
Tuesday, April 17, 2012
The Radical Act of Following the Spirit, God's Optimistic Response, and Commitment to Holiness: Coming Full Circle on Matthew 18
Monday, April 16, 2012
How Did the Jews Treat the Tax Collector, and How Should Christians Treat Christians Who Refuse to Repent of Sin?
The matter of differing opinions
warrants a review.
Friday, April 13, 2012
Postulating Matthew 18 as Love for Sinners that is Balanced with Respect for the Destructive Nature of Sin
I received an email from a kind and
gentle pastor past week who wrote to me about the use of Matthew 18
as a model for church discipline. The passage does talk about sin,
and as he put it, the offended person doesn't necessarily need to
take the offense all the way through the process, requiring that a
matter be taken before the congregation. The passage does present a
model for confronting another believer about sin over which they do
not repent, and if a church leader needs to confront one of their
parishioners, this is certainly a good model which lays out
principles for doing that. As Pastor Johnson noted, however, he sees
it as more of a matter of principles as opposed to a formal
procedure.
Thursday, April 12, 2012
More Masticating on Matthew 18: Thoughts From Readers and Other Sundry Sources
A few people have commented to me about
my example of a woman who was “Matthew 18'ed” (a process of the
misuse of the passage to have her family thrown out of fellowship)
over issues related to her children and volleyball games. Some
people have also offered other observations, some of which echo
previous posts on this topic. They've given me permission to post
some of their thoughts on the subject.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Turning Matthew 18 into a Litigious Process and Using the “Big Lie” to Disguise It
Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Should or Can We Tell the Secrets of the Star Chamber? Discernment, Shouting Error from the Rooftops and Naming Names
Below is a widely cited and noted
sermon about exposing error that I was given permission to post
several years ago. I apparently never posted it but will offer it
here now, considering its relevance over the discussion that has
arisen regarding the Joyful Exiles and the Mark Driscoll/Mars Hill controversy.
I don't share all of the opinions on all counts offered by Pastor Bynum, but I don't know that there's a soul alive with whom I share all of the same opinions. :) He offers a great review of the Scriptures concerning behavior and discernment. It goes hand in hand with Dr. Paul Martin's material about noting behavior, fruit and motive of abusive ministers, and that only 10% of Scriptures that address spiritual abusers deal with doctrine.
Sermon by E.L. Bynum
Monday, April 9, 2012
Stepping Forward On Behalf of the Abused and Bringing Injustice Into the Light (If the Reformers had Access to the Internet, Don't You Think They Would Use It?)
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Four years ago Kevin
Johnson preached a great series of sermons about the proper love
and care of people by their pastors and also wrote the blog post that
was republished here last week. When I wrote to him to write
something that could be posted here on this topic, he also sent along
some additional discussion that took place elsewhere online. The
matter became a fresh topic of conversation here because of the
Petrys' online posting about their experience of spiritual abuse at
Mark Driscoll's Mars Hill Church.
Friday, April 6, 2012
More on the Misunderstanding and Misapplication of Matthew 18: An Excuse to Draw Church Members Into the Star Chamber
A review and further exploration of this modest passage of three verses Scripture.
Dealing with a Sinning Brother“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18:15-17
Thursday, April 5, 2012
Principles Not Procedures: Understanding the Meaning of Matthew 18
Guest Post by Kevin
D. Johnson
Originally published at
Reformed
Catholicism.com
June 2008 and April 1,
2012
(emphasis added to
original text by blog host)
No one doubts that Matthew 18 is a
relevant passage in dealing with resolving offenses between brothers,
but the procedure outlined in Matthew 18:15-17 is set in a very
specific context that is often overlooked. In churches where
spiritual abuse is occurring particularly at the hands of ministers
and pastors who rule by fear, intimidation, and the inordinate and
inappropriate use of Scripture–passages like this can become a very
powerful weapon to accomplish and maintain abuse instead of
legitimate repentance and reconciliation.
Wednesday, April 4, 2012
What is Matthew 18 and How Do Spiritual Abusers Misuse It to Manipulate and Control?
Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Does Scripture Address the Star Chamber Itself?
As previously stated repeatedly at this
point, I think that the greatest disadvantage that people have when
walking into these meetings involves a naïve and very optimistic
view which lends itself to some unrealistic expectations. I also
understand, on the other hand, how they are needful for some people
who believe that they have a duty to say certain things directly to
their ministers, and I respect that. In fact, I've done it myself on
many occasions. Sometimes such meetings seem needful because they
serve as the moment of realization that the group is truly abusive,
emotionally and spiritually. I hope that the information on my blog
will help you realize what I did not and will help you to anticipate
what you will be facing.
Friday, March 30, 2012
Thursday, March 29, 2012
Questions About the Hot Seat/Star Chamber: Don't Church Leaders Realize Just How Abusive They Are?
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| Thank you, David Hayward |
One does not have to be part of a
spiritually abusive denomination or religious movement to encounter
spiritually abusive behavior. Many reading this post will have had
nothing to do with a church that follows set practices that advocate
a formal, abusive “authority-submission structure.” However, I
suspect that many people identify with the problem. Many people have
thought much better of their religious leaders, only to be
disappointed by them. Sometimes that is a failing in the system that
a group follows, and sometimes, it is just a failing in individuals.
Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Questions About the Hot Seat/Star Chamber: Does Someone Teach Thought Reform to Pastors Under the Guise of Good Christian Practice?
In short, I believe that some pastors
within some denominations, particularly aberrant ones, are taught
certain techniques of thought reform as legitimate and Biblical
standards of conduct. Sometimes, those standards are billed as
something that sets the group apart from other Christians, and they
are generally communicated indirectly through modeled behavior and
under the guise of “how we do things here.” Ministers
don't pull out books titles concerning thought reform to learn how to
manipulate, but the techniques do become part of the culture and are
taught to leadership within the group as legitimate Christian
behavior within spiritually abusive systems.
Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Questions About the Hot Seat/Star Chamber: Does My Pastor Deliberately Use Thought Reform?
Question #2: While reading these blog posts about the Hot Seat and the Star Chamber, I recognize how the same things on the list happened to me on a couple of occasions. If this kind of manipulation is a process does that mean that my pastor studied these techniques and used them deliberately? Could they happen spontaneously?
Monday, March 26, 2012
Questions About the Hot Seat/Star Chamber: Do I Really See Spiritual Abuse All Around Me?
Question #1: I
just read your blog, and I realize that I've seen other people use these same dynamics outside of a religious
setting. I'm starting to see these patterns
everywhere, and I'm really freaked out. What does it mean?
Seeing thought reform everywhere or
just single elements of it after you've been to the “hot seat” or
in a “star chamber” is part of recognizing that you were
traumatized – that something terrible happened to you in those
sessions.
Seeing the same patterns elsewhere is a part of your brain's effort to keep you safe.
Seeing the same patterns elsewhere is a part of your brain's effort to keep you safe.
Friday, March 23, 2012
What Do You Risk When You Go to a Star Chamber/Hot Seat Meeting? (and more on the never ending Mars Hil/Driscoll Drama)
I was quite surprised that, while I'd already begun posting on this topic, a former elder/pastor of Mark Driscoll's Mars Hill organization came forward online to reveal the details of their own experiences within a spiritually abusive system. The husband and wife team have written some details about different star chamber meetings that they'd attended as a part of their experiences there.
Tuesday, March 20, 2012
The Violence of Thought Conversion: Wrapped in Gentleness and in Cruelty
I thought I would mention a bit more
about my own experience with informal discipline tactics that church leaders and cultic
groups use to exploit and manipulate members. In years past on this
site, I've mentioned the many gentle sessions of double bind and
informal logical fallacy I endured directly with my pastor in his study
when I approached him about things that were said from the pulpit
that didn't quite sound right doctrinally. When I left the church
office, I would feel disoriented and exhausted in a detached and pleasant
sort of way, and I'd often go home to nap until dinner.
Monday, March 19, 2012
Thought Conversion on the Hot Seat
In the previous post, I discussed what my husband and I dubbed “The
Star Chamber,” the interrogation and intimidation sessions that our
former cultic church elders regularly adjudicated in the pastor's
study when they wanted to address what they saw as serious behavioral
non-compliance in members. Though the elders had their star chamber
meetings, the thought conversion exercises were not limited to those
more formal sessions. Though their manipulation was certainly not
limited to only the formal sessions, the confrontations with the
group of elders was quite powerful. Manipulation in informal
settings can be just as effective, but star chamber sessions could
affect much emotional, psychological, and spiritual harm, a special
practice that involved a higher level of manipulation and force
because of the ritual and the fact that a person was outnumbered by
eight authority figures (the number of elders and pastors we had at
the time of my attendance).
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