Monday, January 7, 2008

The Tip of the Kinism Iceberg?

Iceberg near north-eastern coast
of Baffin Island
photo taken by Ansgar Walk
Since all this kinism talk, many "things kinist" have been disappearing from all over the internet. Websites hosted by kinists have been disappearing or have become password protected. Chad Degenhart has password protected his Date-Dabitur. 

His friends have appeared on all sorts of blogs defending him, arguing everything from the fact that he's had a less than desirable childhood or that he is a wonderful friend and good person. That may all be very true, but is it just an excuse to embrace what I believe is a convenient, candy coated racism? Do these things give a Christian the license to take the Word of God and twist it to justify a social belief or to continue under Old Testament Law? Even in the Old Testament, Isreal would receive converts to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.



I've recently watched several commenters on another blog state that they are not kinists but then proceed to berate anyone who says anything negative about known kinists or kinism. I've watched them say that they deny kinism personally but then argue that anyone who voices an opinion against this repugnant ideology joins a ranting chorus of shrikes, all while stating that everyone but them is illogical and hysterical. When the first approach of arguing kinism as a valid Christian belief system fails due to rejection by the audience, I watched these kinist supporters then switch to ad hominem tactics to marginalize and trivialize those who spoke out against kinism or kinists or those who supported kinist friends. The next tactic seemed to be the downplaying of kinism as a growing influence in the Christian world, or more specifically, among Dominionist, Christian Reconstruction and Agrarian circles where it originated. Hmmm.
 


The now defunct kinst page on Wikipedia stated that kinists are primarily composed of those of Anglo-Saxon ethnicity, and those who embrace Reformed Theology as well as Theonomy. So if you are interested, take note while you still can. Someone sent me an email noting that a well-known patriarchalist who runs a home business had her blog off-line all weekend. And it makes you wonder. I wonder how many Christmas card I get from kinists and don't know it? Now, I'm sure they connected over agrarian interests, but I can't help but wonder if all the Chad Degenhart and Harry Seabrook links are coming down as I type. 
[Late entry/Addendum 8Jan08: I received an email stating that Buried Treasure Books may have been offline due to inclement weather in that area and not due to deletion of links. This does in no way negate the existence of these connections to neoConfederate groups nor the hypocrisy of these connections. Only the link to what was described to me as a neo-Confederate site, "The Patriotist," is still present on the Buried Treasure Books website but no longer works. This does not in any way negate the fact that there is a collossal double standard at Vision Forum which provides for those in favor (the McDonalds and the Friedrichs) to have friendships with the founders of kinist organizations but condemns the Epstiens for these associations.

In the event that I've been too subtle, Americans can beleive whatever religious beliefs that they want, but Christians may not believe aberrant doctrine without criticism. And the Friedrichs can certainly have associations with whomever they want. My express purpose in bringing these associations to light concerns both the double standard of tolerance of these kinist associations for some and the concern of the association itself. My concern, since this movement is associated with Reformed Theology and Theonomy, is that the connections are not always visible and not well defined. What are the true beliefs of those in the agrarian movement when one considers how closely associated the movement is with the neo-Confederate movement.

The reader here has also been provided with a variety of links from a search engine, some of which demonstrate the relationship between the Degenharts and the Friedrichs. Some of them contain information denouncing kinism. I copied them here in order to demonstrate the relationship between these families as well as the contradiction that comes along with kinism.]

Here's an interesting cache -- take a look while you still can -- before all you can get is a message stating something about robot.txt and all traces of it vanish.


From Buried Treasure Books:

5 Responses to “The Gates of Hell”

Stephanie Seabrook Says: December
19th, 2003 at 6:12
am

Hi Carmon. I was just reading Luther’s quote to the children this
morning and said it would make for nice memory work and
copywork this next week.
Dawn thought that was a rather profound statement from Martin Luther King.
LOL She very quickly
realized what she had said. Needless to say she is not much of a morning person.
Have a wonderful weekend.

Harry
Seabrook Says: December
19th, 2003 at 6:20
am
Argh! I’mpulling out what little is left of my hair!



Carmon Says: December 19th, 2003 at 11:18 pm Harry and Stephanie,Don’t pull out any hair, Harry,
then you won’t be hairy any more ;-). I’m looking forward to reading
this year’s Christmas letter…you guys are hilarious.
~~~~~~~


And Try these Chad Degenhart links while they last:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Carmon+Friedrich+Chad+Degenhart&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

1. Buried Treasure Books: Weblog " Home Birth Homework
kelly degenhart Says: March 2nd, 2005 at 10:02 am. Hi Carmon, ... you have to say and both Chad and I love your new bookshelves. ... Friedrich Library Tour ...
buriedtreasurebooks.com/weblog/?p=1038 - 95k - Cached
2. Cumberland Books: Plain Talk
Carmon Friedrich, proprietress of the Buried Treasure Books weblog, who shared ... Chad Degenhart, a thoughtful and well-read young father of six who joined me to ...
www.cumberlandbooks.com/plaintalk.php - 18k - Cached
3. Buried Treasure Books: Weblog " Heavenly Minded for Your Earthly Good
... my Plain Talk conversation with Chad Degenhart about health insurance, I said ... Carmon, loved your post today. ... Friedrich Library Tour ...
buriedtreasurebooks.com/weblog/?p=1831 - 62k - Cached
4. Home Page Archive
Chad Degenhart considers a new area that church minstries might expand into ... [ more] ... Carmon Friedrich describes her family's experiences using the Robinson ...
highlands.gospelcom.net/HomePageArchive.php - 264k - Cached
5. C.S. Hayden's Blog: September 2005
Chad Degenhart makes some interesting observations about Karl Marx and free trade. ... (Pieter Friedrich) Buried Treasure (Carmon Friedrich) Eugrahpia ...
cshayden.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_archive.html - 109k - Cached
6. February 2006 Blog Archives
53 AM The latest addition to our home page is called Origin of the Specious. ... 48 AM Good to see Pieter Friedrich blogging again. ...
www.daveblackonline.com/february_2006_blog_archives.htm - 174k - Cached
7. C.S. Hayden's Blog: November 2005
One of my friends from my church fellowship with whom I enjoy frequent engaging ... The Kansas school board's decision to allow criticism of evolution in science ...
cshayden.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html - 233k - Cached
8. Amy's Humble Musings " Living Simple
Since our friend Chad Degenhart first introduced us to this book, we thought it ... an unpublished review by Carmon Friedrich of Eric Brende's Better Off ...
humblemusings.com/category/living-simple/page/3 - 97k - Cached
9. Amy's Humble Musings " Book Reviews
Since our friend Chad Degenhart first introduced us to this book, we ... to an unpublished review by Carmon Friedrich of Eric Brende's Better Off (2004) ...
humblemusings.com/category/book-reviews - 104k - Cached
10. October 2005 Blog Archives
I'm not sure if you remember or not, but I spoke to you this past ... I've been meaning to let you know that I thoroughly enjoyed "It's Still Greek to ...
www.daveblackonline.com/october_2005_blog_archives.htm - 271k - Cached

11. October 2005 Blog Archives
I'm not sure if you remember or not, but I spoke to you this past ... I've been meaning to let you know that I thoroughly enjoyed "It's Still Greek to ...
www.daveblackonline.com/october_2005_blog_archives.htm - 271k - Cached
12. Date-Dabitur " Blog Archive " Tabletalk
... one of my comments on Carmon Friedrich's blog, wherein I completely debunk ... Hi Chad, Could the mushroom comment come from one Joshua P? ...
date-dabitur.com/?p=401 - 34k - Cached
13. How to Hire an Attorney - Individual Orientation
... Deforest Deforrest Defriez Degas Degenhart Degrant Degreiff Deguzman Dehai ... Friedl Friedland Friedlander Friedman Friedrich Friedrick Friel Friend Frierson ...
www.weblocator.com/names/25.html - 114k - Cached
14. Plain Talk with Chad Degenhart - $5.00 : Cumberland Books, In Pursuit ...
... Chad Degenhart - CD Sound Clip #1 Sound Clip #2 One of the ... Davy Crockett: His Own Story. Plain Talk with Cindy Rollins. Plain Talk with Carmon Friedrich ...
cumberlandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24 - 13k
15. BaylyBlog: Out of our minds, too...: Who's righteous--Al Qaeda or the U.S.?
Posted by: Chad Degenhart April 25, 2006 at 05:27 PM ... Carmon Friedrich. David Gadbois. Eric Rasmusen. Family Reformation. Grant Me a Boon. Jack Lewis ...
www.baylyblog.com/2006/04/whos_righteousa.html - 58k


http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu.hZDoJHEAcBTo5XNyoA?p=Buried+Treasure+Chad+Degenhart&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8

1. Buried Treasure Books: Weblog " Heavenly Minded for Your Earthly Good
Archives — Light in Darkness " Heavenly Minded for Your Earthly Good ... my Plain Talk conversation with Chad Degenhart about health insurance, I said ...
buriedtreasurebooks.com/weblog/?p=1831 - 62k - Cached
2. Cumberland Books: Plain Talk
... Friedrich, proprietress of the Buried Treasure Books weblog, who shared her ... Chad Degenhart, a thoughtful and well-read young father of six who joined me to ...
www.cumberlandbooks.com/plaintalk.php - 18k - Cached
3. A Woman's Function is Laborious: March 2005
One woman's view of life as a wife and homemaker, a mother, a ... Thank you to Chad Degenhart for this wonderful quote! Also seen at Buried Treasures. ...
womanlabor.blogspot.com/2005_03_01_archive.html - 66k - Cached
4. Highlands Study Center 2003 Home Page Archive
Chad Degenhart considers a new area that church minstries ... derive strength and encouragement at Buried Treasure, a weblog run by Carmon Friedrich ...
highlands.gospelcom.net/home_page_2003_archive.php - 116k - Cached
5. Home Page Archive
Highlands Study Center Home. FREE Resources. Information Packet ... Chad Degenhart considers a new area that church minstries might expand into ... [ more] ...
highlands.gospelcom.net/HomePageArchive.php - 264k - Cached
6. C.S. Hayden's Blog: September 2005
Chad Degenhart makes some interesting observations about Karl Marx and free trade. ... Buried Treasure (Carmon Friedrich) Eugrahpia (Jonathan Girotti) ...
cshayden.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_archive.html - 109k - Cached
7. Amy's Humble Musings " Living Simple
Since our friend Chad Degenhart first introduced us to this book, we thought it ... their community at 60mph with their heads buried in comic books or magazines. ...
humblemusings.com/category/living-simple/page/3 - 97k - Cached
8. August 2005 Blog Archives
If Calvinism is an enemy to missions and evangelism, it is an ... We Christians must simplify our lives or lose untold treasures on earth and in eternity. ...
www.daveblackonline.com/august_2005_blog_archives.htm - 216k - Cached
9. Buried Treasure Books: Weblog " Home Birth Homework
I also highly recommend Kelly Degenhart's detailed explanation of why home birth ... the site and would have had to wait till Chad came home from work to help me) ...
buriedtreasurebooks.com/weblog/?p=1038 - 95k - Cached
10. From the Bunker - 2006
Commentary Blog of writer and commentator Michael Bunker ... Harry over at Little Geneva, and I enjoy reading Chad Degenhart's blog alot. ...
michaelbunker.com/b2evolution/index.php?m=2006 - 525k

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COMMENTS:
Kathleen said...
Cindy, thanks for those links.Here's a quote of some of the teachings and convictions of the #10 link (Michael Bunker):

"I was listening to the Puritan Prayers early this morning, and there is a prayer there that caused me to meditate on it all the morning. I paraphrase: "Lord let me not rest on any doctrine, no matter how Biblical, that does not increase salvation". This caused me to think of all the "issue" cults out there who constantly hammer on their private causes regardless of how that cause intersects with salvation. I have always believed, and am even further convinced, that Agrarian Separatism is the only proper seedbed for salvation, and is the good field in which the good sower sowed good seed. My meditation on this once again inspired in me the knowledge that God has called us out for a purpose, that He has given us strength to do what others only talk about, and that He has enabled us to walk freely in our calling that the cause of salvation of the elect might be furthered."Believers who live in towns or cities, who rely on going to the store, owing mortgages on their homes or any debt, or God forbid they have to rely on some pharmaceutical (like insulin) were likened to people living in Sodom and Gomorrah, in so many, many words.He was linked on Little Geneva and the funny thing is that he actually links to the mirror link of Little Geneva, entitled mrsbinoculars.com: ( http://michaelbunker.com/journal.html )and the mirror LG:( http://www.mrsbinoculars.com/lgmirror/437.htm )I'm so thankful to God I escaped any more of his teaching. January 15, 2008 12:24 PM